Group F Origins

Coleraine, Cos. Londonderry and Antrim, Co. Fermanagh, Co. Down, N. Ireland; Isle of Man; Pennsylvania

Group F Origins

Postby morrisondna » Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:38 pm

Group F Morrisons settled in Pennsylvania by 1752. The family has been found heavily concentrated in the North of County Antrim, Northern Ireland, and also near Belfast and Enniskillen. According to family sources in Northern Ireland, the Morrisons of North Antrim came there from Scotland before 1650. Morrisons who are close DNA matches have also been found in the Isle of Man. It is believed that these Morrisons were from South Ayrshire or Galloway in Scotland. The family has been found to have L1402 and L1403 SNPs, which are somewhat recent SNPs that are shared with certain families in County Laois, Ireland. The connection may be through an Irish/Viking settlement of Galloway ca. 800 to 1000 AD. Further SNP testing is underway using FTDNA's new Big Y test to help in further defining the history. Other Scottish families who match these Morrisons include a line of McAdamses and a McNeill family from Prince Edward Island.
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Re: Group F Origins

Postby morrisondna » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:38 am

We have three members of Group F who have taken the Big Y test. Results for the first of them is now available. Big Y has confirmed L1403 as the most recent downstream SNP for this group, but does not show results for L1402 were tested. Results for the other two Big Y tests are due at any time and should allow us to see additional downstream SNPs that can be used to further refine the history of Group F.
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Re: Group F Origins

Postby morrisondna » Wed Nov 26, 2014 11:43 am

We continue to see refinement of the family tree for Group F Morrisons through results from Big Y tests and follow-up individual SNP testing. Customized testing of individual SNPs by YSEQ has been a major help in our research. YSEQ will design tests upon request and will package groups of tests into discounted packages.

Results of the SNP testing to-date are posted at http://www.geneticousins.com/L1403/L1403SNPTree.htm . We currently have three major branches identified under L1402: Morrison, Moore, and other Seven Septs of Laois surnames. It appears that the Morrisons split off from L1402 at about the same time as the Moores and the other Seven Septs surnames. This may have been due to Viking settlement on the Isle of Man and in Galloway by Vikings based in Dublin. L1402 cousins who remained in Ireland include the Moores and the other Seven Septs surnames.

We have looked for a single SNP to connect the IOM Morrisons and the Scottish Morrisons, but have not found one yet. However, results on STR DYS713 show a value shared (so far) only by these two Morrison lines and not by the other L1402s. Additional DYS713 tests are needed to confirm this, since this is a marker not normally tested or reported by FTDNA.

We are also testing several other L1402 surnames to see whether they connect with the Morrisons earlier in the tree or more recently. Tests are currently pending for McMorris and McAdams.
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Re: Group F Origins

Postby morrisondna » Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:06 pm

Further study of neighbors of Group F Morrisons in the north of County Antrim, Northern Ireland, indicate that the surnames of most of the neighbors carry surnames found most frequently in North Ayrshire and Renfrewshire in Scotland. There are few Morrisons in most parishes of North Ayrshire, but the Scottish Old Parish Registers show a large concentration at Greenock and Inverkip, so research is focusing on this area.

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Re: Group F Origins

Postby morrisondna » Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:34 pm

SNP A459 is the defining SNP under L1402 for Group F Morrisons. It is shared with representatives of several other surnames: McMorris, McAdams, Smith, McNeil, and Downing. The McMorris family traces back to Donaghedy Parish, County Tyrone, Northern Ireland. Land in this area was granted to Sir John Drummond of Borland, Menteith, Scotland, in the early 1600's, and it seems likely that the McMorris family went to Co. Tyrone as a result of that settlement. The McMorris surname was rare in Scotland, but was concentrated in Buchanan Parish, Stirlingshire, in the early 1600's. This is about 14 miles west of Menteith. The MacAdam surname is also found in Buchanan Parish and westward toward the old seaport of Dumbarton. This points to the Dumbarton/Loch Lomond/Buchanan Parish area as an early seat of A459 in Scotland. A family by the name of McMurrich is also found in this area and may be related to the McMorris line.
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Re: Group F Origins

Postby morrisondna » Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:59 am

A McEldowney match to Group F has tested positive for SNP A459. He joins the Morrisons, McMorrises, McAdamses, and Downings, a Smith, and a McNeill in this branch of the haplotree. Comparison of STR results for McEldowney and Downing indicate that together they form a new sub-branch of A459. Research indicates that McIldownie was an early name in the Glasgow to Campsie area of Scotland and that the name later was shortened to Downie. Some of the family apparently moved to Northern Ireland in Plantation times, and the name is found there in the forms McEldowney, Downey, and Downing. The new McIldownie sub-branch, as a side result, gives further confirmation of the connection of A459 Morrisons and McMorrises. A459 Morrisons and McMorrises share distinctive values on Markers 533, 714, and 715 that are not shared with the McIldownie branch. These "branch markers" seem to indicate a split between the two branches 400 to 500 years before the respective surnames began to migrate to Ulster in the 1600s, and so probably before surnames were adopted. Tests are underway to determine which of these two branches the McNeill/McAdams/Smith branch is more closely related to.
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Re: Group F Origins

Postby morrisondna » Mon Nov 07, 2016 7:56 pm

New test results show that McNeill (and therefore McAdams and Smith) are a closer match to the McEldowney group than to the Morrison/McMorris group. The subgroups of F1 and F2 will be renumbered and rearranged in the next update to reflect this.
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Re: Group F Origins

Postby morrisondna » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:02 am

Two new members of Group F have been determined to be R-DF63 rather than R-L1402 haplogroup and have been placed in Subgroup F4. The origins of the DF63 Morrisons will be explored through the DF63 project.
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